tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post7546972848141462660..comments2024-01-07T21:43:26.909-05:00Comments on The Cold Table: Viking BreadCathy Raymondhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-49872915175088614432020-03-16T14:47:25.289-04:002020-03-16T14:47:25.289-04:00Eyja, Danie, thanks for your comments! I didn'...Eyja, Danie, thanks for your comments! I didn't realize my moderation queue had so many messages in it. Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-68466228692092969012020-03-16T14:45:10.651-04:002020-03-16T14:45:10.651-04:00Eyja: Sorry that it took so long for me to see you...Eyja: Sorry that it took so long for me to see your comment; it was stuck "awaiting moderation" and I didn't realize that.<br /><br />To me, if there's a "fine line between too doughy and too burnt" that means the recipe really isn't what was done in period. I doubt the Vikings had patience for fussy recipes--they just wanted to eat.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-11466135607363185002019-08-06T19:08:59.289-04:002019-08-06T19:08:59.289-04:00Try it with freshly ground barley meal. (I used a ...Try it with freshly ground barley meal. (I used a coffee grinder) Even with just water as the only other ingredient it held together and tasted good with a nice chewy texture both fresh and a day later.<br /><br />Danie Martin, Swarthmore College.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-48222578544805836612018-06-07T15:03:12.743-04:002018-06-07T15:03:12.743-04:00Greetings. After a bit of research, it seems as if...Greetings. After a bit of research, it seems as if using a sourdough starter as leavening was quite common.My Norwegian great Grandmother gave me a recipe for a starter that uses grapes, tied in a gauze baggie. The grapes are then crushed in a good sized glass jar, add a cup of flour (AP works) and a cup of tepid water is added and all mixed together. Leave jar sit somewhere warm out of direct sunlight. Whenever liquid collects on the top of the mixture add a 1/4 C more flour. let it ferment for 3-5 days. With clean hands, carefully remove the gauze baggie. You can make bread now. You'll want to refrigerate your starter from now on. Just remember to "feed" your starter an equal amount of what you use in your bread recipe. I tend to use a 1/2 C to a C depending on how many loaves I'm making. <br /><br />Sourdough bread has very complex flavors and also takes longer to digest; studies have shown that rye flour added to sourdough can help regulate blood sugar levels which helps ward off diabetes. Sourdough is also a prebiotic, which helps to support the gut micobiome.<br /><br />In the Encyclopedia of Food Microbiology, Michael Gaenzle writes: "The origins of bread-making are so ancient that everything said about them must be pure speculation. One of the oldest sourdough breads dates from 3700 BCE and was excavated in Switzerland, but the origin of sourdough fermentation likely relates to the origin of agriculture in the Fertile Crescent several thousand years earlier ... Bread production relied on the use of sourdough as a leavening agent for most of human history; the use of baker's yeast as a leavening agent dates back less than 150 years."[2]<br /><br />Pliny the Elder described the sourdough method in his Natural History:[3][4]<br /><br /> Generally however they do not heat it up at all, but only use the dough kept over from the day before; manifestly it is natural for sourness to make the dough ferment... (Nat. His. 18:26 §104)[3]<br />Quoted from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourdoughUte Roggehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231006691384119965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-19099716196282056292013-01-31T14:14:47.982-05:002013-01-31T14:14:47.982-05:00Thanks, Amy, for visiting my blog.
Yes, a good he...Thanks, Amy, for visiting my blog.<br /><br />Yes, a good hearty flatbread could have doubled as a plate. Since a lot of the cooked foods Vikings ate were porridges or stews, I see flatbread being used more as a utensil. One would stick a piece of bread into a bowl of stew or porridge to scoop the mixture up to eat it. Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-91396686828059135612013-01-30T06:12:39.651-05:002013-01-30T06:12:39.651-05:00I second anonymous's suggestion. The bread tha...I second anonymous's suggestion. The bread that the everyday people of Iron Age Northern Europe ate probably wasn't very fancy. It had to be simple to prepare and made from readily available ingredients. Probably something like an unleavened bannock made with hearty grains like barley or rye. Water and animal fats could have made up the rest of the bulk of the bread. <br /><br />It could also have served double duty as a plate and probably would have softened up considerably when soaked with grease and the juices from vegetables.Amy F.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-22298335327411291882012-09-18T17:47:50.751-04:002012-09-18T17:47:50.751-04:00@ Anonymous: I think the theory you describe of V...@ Anonymous: I think the theory you describe of Viking flatbread is pretty plausible, though I have a hard time imagining Vikings carrying around much flour or dough on their voyages.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-51419259928822884662012-09-18T17:44:10.494-04:002012-09-18T17:44:10.494-04:00Just watched a great documentary about how the Vik...Just watched a great documentary about how the Vikings spread throughout the North, East, South and West, on the BBC. I guess for those simple adventurous Viking trading/warring folk pitching up in an unknown place in the pissing rain and freezing cold, you would want to make something simple that was wholesome and quick to make that didn't require too much dexterity (cold, tired hands) or ingredients (troublesome to carry) when you simply just needed to eat. That to me points immediately to a basic dough squashed down on a flat pan and cooked for a few minutes on each side before being wolfed down with some fish/meat. Perhaps the oil to fry the bread would have been from taken from the animal fat, of which the meat would have been eaten along with the meal (remember, the bread should not have been too chewy as its meant to soak up meat juices). I can just imagine a bunch of Vikings upturning their boat and holding it aloft at one end with their oars and sitting underneath with a large fire just outside of it with the long-handled bread pan cooking a meal of fish or squirrel and their pan-bread to eat with it! I bet "dessert" was blackberries / plums / apples / pears. Yum, yum!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-76085581757263051362011-03-28T19:41:04.538-04:002011-03-28T19:41:04.538-04:00@ Gaviota: I think you're right about the fla...@ Gaviota: I think you're right about the flattening. I haven't the resources at this point to cook them over coals on a flat iron, or in a wood-fired oven, but I'm definitely trying to roll them out very thin the next time I make any. Thanks for stopping by, and for your comments.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-52141596067561304502011-03-28T07:47:19.961-04:002011-03-28T07:47:19.961-04:00Hi
Maybe this will help. From what I understand, ...Hi<br /><br />Maybe this will help. From what I understand, the Vikings flattened their dough very finely (as you do when you make Indian bread or pita) and then they cooked it on a flat iron on coals. Other Viking breads I've seen were cooked in a Viking oven (Denmark) which is quite similar in method to the way wood-fire ovens operate.<br /><br />GabrielaGaviotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180997223402569087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-58720666373523058152010-04-07T21:28:29.992-04:002010-04-07T21:28:29.992-04:00Interestingly, I found that the Hurstwic flatbread...Interestingly, I found that the Hurstwic flatbread I made had a similar problem; it was difficult to fry it long enough to avoid doughiness without blackening the outside. It would be most informative to know whether the Vikings actually had this problem or whether they did something to their bread recipes to avoid it.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-46130618632818539322010-04-07T01:36:39.558-04:002010-04-07T01:36:39.558-04:00Glad I could help.
Also, if I recall correctly, w...Glad I could help.<br /><br />Also, if I recall correctly, when my college group hosted a Beowulf event, the head cook used Þóra Sharpetooth's recipe, and she found that the trick with that one is to knead the dickens out of the dough. I haven't had the inclination to try it myself though -- I worry when the recipe warns that there's a fine line between too doughy and too burnt.Eyjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866080136811636396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-43912904007037348852010-03-17T17:57:22.031-04:002010-03-17T17:57:22.031-04:00Thanks for the warning about the Viking Answer Lad...Thanks for the warning about the Viking Answer Lady's recipe; you've saved me some frustration (and precluded the possibility of a serious ribbing from my husband).<br /><br />I will look at Aoife's recipe. I'm not sure I'm quite ready for a sourdough recipe--that may be a bit more trouble than I'm prepared to accommodate--but it sounds interesting.<br /><br />If I make the Hurstwic recipe again, I will make a smaller amount, and probably cut out most of the rye flour in favor of increasing the oat and barley flours. My husband suggested that, and I think that would make the result lighter and the taste more pleasant.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2032365360611242433.post-89283617648919723922010-03-17T00:24:50.789-04:002010-03-17T00:24:50.789-04:00A friend of mine tried to make the Viking Answer L...A friend of mine tried to make the Viking Answer Lady flatbread recipe and it turned out awful -- truly flour and water alone do not make bread.<br /><br />I've only done a Viking Age inspired bread recipe once, and the heavy grains, while very tasty (and honey went superbly with it), were hard to eat (even fresh out of the oven) and harder to digest. But I've found one recipe that seems to have a solution to that and which I really need to try soon -- Aoife posted it on the Norsefolk list. It uses a sourdough to leaven the bread, and from her post, looks like she put a good amount of research and thought into it.<br /><br />Here's the link to the recipe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2/message/11540Eyjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866080136811636396noreply@blogger.com